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Bondi spars with Democratic senator over Epstein ‘client list’

Democratic senator Dick Durbin of Illinois grilled Pam Bondi as to why she made a public claim that the Epstein “client list” was “sitting” on her desk for review earlier this year, only to “produce already public information and no client list”.

Bondi pushed back, saying that she actually said she had “yet to review” the documents, and reaffirmed that there was no Epstein client list.

The attorney general went on to spar with Durbin, questioning why he “refused repeated Republican requests to release the Epstein flight logs in 2023 and 2024”. Durbin said Bondi’s claims were not accurate.

“I did not refuse. One of the senators here wished to produce those logs, and I asked her to put it in writing, and she never did,” Durbin pushed back, apparently referring to his Republican colleague, senator Marsha Blackburn.

“I would really appreciate the opportunity to correct the record, because senator Durbin knows I repeatedly asked for those flight logs, I brought up the subpoena. You even shut down the committee because you didn’t want that, I submitted that in writing, and you continue to misrepresent that,” Blackburn later chimed in.

Durbin, for his part, maintained that Blackburn failed to commit this to writing.

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“If the therapist told him or he asked, ‘Can you help me become straight?’ The answer would be, it would be banned,” Stevenson said. “ … The harms from conversion therapy come from when you tell a young person you can change this innate thing about yourself, and they try, and they try, and they fail, and then they have shame and they’re miserable, and then it ruins their relationships with their family.”

Stevenson also sought to draw distinctions between how the law applies to medical professionals and not those whose standard of practice isn’t regulated by the statute. The state can make sure health professionals align with a “standard of care,” she said, and in this instance, there is not evidence that “conversion therapy” is within the standard of care. “Conversion therapy” is a “debunked” practice, she said.

The Colorado law prohibits any “licensed physician specializing in psychiatry or a licensed, certified, or registered mental health care provider” from engaging in “conversion therapy,” which it defines as “attempts or purports to change an individual’s sexual orientation or gender identity, including efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attraction or feelings toward individuals of the same sex.”

Alito questioned how the state was interpreting the statute and said it seemed to be regulating speech. “That seems like viewpoint discrimination in the way we would normally understand viewpoint discrimination,” he said. He also questioned whether ideology sometimes plays a role in what is considered a medical consensus.

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